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PostSubject: Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob qhov twg...???   Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:23 pm

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Kev tsa ib haiv neeg/kho ib haiv neeg,tshwjxeeb tshaj yog haiv neeg zoo li peb Hmoob uas cagku mojyoog qauv lw tau qaug mus lawm, thiab tsav/haiv neeg no hos mus ciaj cag siv cai sib txawv thiab sib cov nyom li niaj hnub no lawm yeej tsis yoojyim.  Ntau haiv neeg yuav tsum muaj kev ntxeevtseev hauv cagku "social revolution" mas nws haiv neeg no thiaj yuav raws tau neeg ntxheej tiam ntawv kev vam meej/haumxeeb raws txoj kev timtsum.

Neeg lub siab "hlwb" hloov raws txheejxwm tseeb ntawm kev totaub txog xwjxwm thiab kev koobxuam (essential) tamsim ntawv lawm.  Lintawv, Hmoob yuav ua tau siab loj/dav tau li lwm haiv neeg yog thaum Hmoob paub txog txiaj ntsim feemkoom "public benefits" tseemceeb npaum twg lawm.  Niaj hnub no, peb Hmoob tsis hais nyob lub tebchaws twg los nyuam qhuav pib nkag siab zujzus txog kev siv tswv yim (the mind games) xwb.


Yog yuav hais qhov tseeb tiag tiag ntawm Hmoob kev ua neej yeej tsis muaj kev sib hlub tiag, thiab uake ntawv; txhua yam Hmoob ua yog xav nrov thiab xav tau ntsej muag nkaus xwb yeej tsis muaj ntau rau feem  txoj kev sib hlub.

Lub neej thaum ntxov kuj xws li nim no, Hmoob tsuas pab tus neeg txawj ntse thiab muaj koob nto npe kom nws tau ntsej muag, hos ntawm cov neeg ruamm thiab neeg txom nyem tsis muaj tus xav xyijxeeb pab thiab hlub txog.   Hmoob kev sib pab tsis yog hlub pab, tabsis yog pab raws li Hmoob cov nqi lus hais tias "pauv zog" thiab "pab tus uas tom ntej yuav vam tau thiab pab tau yus" no xwb nawb.

Lwm haiv neeg txoj kev sib pab hauv society mas yog pab los ntawm txoj kev hlub, thiab luag tsuas pab tus nws pab tsis tau tus kheej.  Lwm haiv neeg vam meej txoj kev sib hlub sib pab, luag txoj kev sib pab yog kev tsis xam txiaj ntsig nawb, thiab thaum luag tau pab lwm tus timtsum kev pab lawm, luag tsis tos kom tus luag tau pab ho pab luag rau tom ntej.

Hauv Hmoob cov lus ua tsaug hauv lub ntees tuag, thaib cov lus ua tsaug tshoob yeej qhia tseeb kawg kiag txog Hmoob tus cwjpwm thiab xeeb ceem ntawm kev ua neej tseeb.  Tsuas yog tus neeg tsis ntse tob xwb thiaj qhuas tias Hmoob coj cai zoo, tus paub tiag/ntse tiag ces yeej pom tias Hmoob tsuas yog "nyias hus nyias kwj tse".


Qhov Hmoob mus tsa ntau ntau lub koomhaum cuab xeem, thiab Hmoob koom tsis tau los noj Hmoob lub 30 caug ua ib hnub/los sis koom ib lub chaw rag qaum paj nruag los yeej yog lub hlwb ntawv.  Tshwjxeeb tshaj yog cov koomhaum/koomtxoos “organizations” uas xav coj Hmoob ua politic thiab daws tso Hmoob kev raug tsim txom+txom nyem lod yeej coj tib tug cwj pwm+xeebceem+hlwb kev txawj ntse kiag thiab xwb.  Tus xeebceem twmxeeb no yeej koom tsis tau ua ke thiaj ua rau Hmoob tseem tsis tau  kam sib koom siab koom zog los daws Hmoob tej teeb meem ntxhov niab niaj hnub no.
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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob qhov twg...???   Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:54 pm

Yajceebtshiab,

Qhov hais tias Nplog hu Hmoob ua, "Meo" no mas cov laus yeej hais tias muaj tiag vim Nplog yeej muaj ib zaj nkauj hais txog Hmoob lub npe Meo.  Tab sis, nyob rau Suav teb mas nws yeej muaj nws ib cov neeg hu ua Miao li koj hais yog lawm hos lub npe Nplog hu Hmoob thiab Lub Suav hu lawv cov neeg npe mas sib txawv lawm vim lo lus, "Meo" no yog lus Nplog txhua tus Hmong thiab Nplog yeej paub lub Npe Meo hais tias yog Nplog hus Hmoob li ntawm.

Tej zaum kuv lam tham xwb ntshe tej laus qhia tsis yog rau kuv lawm xwb lau........hahahahahaha.


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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob qhov twg...???   Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:20 am

Yog kawg, Nplog hu Hmoob ua Meo no yog hu lawv Suav qab xwb, Thaib los yeej hu Meo no lawv Suav qab thiab tiag


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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob qhov twg...???   Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:06 am

Hahahahaha.........., yog li ntawm ces kuv tsis paub zoo li lau vim kuv xav hais tias Nplog thiab Thaib cov neeg twb mus tsis tau txog pem Suav teb lub zim txwv ntawm es cas lawv ho paub cov neeg Miao mas kuv tsis nkag siab li os.  Qhov Nplog hu Hmoob ua Meo mas vim Hmoob pheej tawm tom hav zoov los xwb ces Hmoob los tsis paub lus Nplog thiab ces thaum Hmoob qhia nplog hais tias Hmoob yog Hmoob ces Nplog qog tsis tau lub suab Hmoob ces Nplog paub tus miv zoo ces luag cia li keev seem siv lub npe ntawm hu Hmoob ua Meo xwb yooj yim tshaj qhov Nplog tseem yuav qog kom tau Hmoob lo lus mas Nplog thiaj li hais tau lus Hmoob meej li Hmoob hais ces nyuab heev rau Nplog ces yog li ntawm lub npe Nplog los yog Hmoob hu Nplog thiab xwb ces Nplog thiab Hmoob cov lus thiaj li yog lus sib pauv zog xwb es tsis yog lus sib cib nyeej li cas.

Thaib mas tej zaum Thaib yuav hu Hmoob ua, "Xos Khom" raws li tej tau hnov yav tag los ces txhais tau hais tias Hmoob yog neeg tawv dawb vim Hmoob nyob pem roob ces Hmoob tsis yog neeg dub tawv.......hahahahahahaha.

Tej lus nov ces yog kuv khwv yeej tham pem xwb es yog yam twg hais tsis yog lus lawm los thov nej ua siab ntev.

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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob qhov twg...???   Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:27 am

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Koj xav tau zoo kawg tiag....Tabsis raws li keeb puam ntawm neeg Thaib/Nplog mas lawv yog tsiv ua ntej los nyob rau Thai_land "Sayam" thia Laos "lanbxaabng" uas lawv tawm hauv lub xeev YUNNAN lub nroog 12 Banna nyob China.  2010 kuv tau mus txog lub nroog thiab tau mus nug txog keebkwm ntau yam hauv no...Peb Hmoob nyob pajtawg tsis deb ntawm lub nroog no heev.


Nyob thaib teb, tom qab sawv cov tsov-rog thaib liab ces vajntxwv muab txhua nywjkeeb haiv neeg tsawg hu ua hill-tribes no tag nrho.  tabsis yog lawv hu ib pab neeg xwwb ces Hmoob=Miao ntag od.  Tamsim no lawv kuj hloov hu Hmoob/Hmong no tamqab vietnam war muaj Hmoob tawg rog los nyob Thaib-teb.

Tiamsis yog thaum lawv sib tham lawv xwb ces Hmoob=Meo xwb....

Hauv Nyablaj teb los Cobtsib yeej hu Hmong tias "Meo zern tock" =Meo people/tsis yog Hmoob nawb.
Tomqab tsov-rog Vietnam lawv mam hu Miao ua Hmoob myob Vietnam xwb. "mus tshawb ntxiv thiaj paub"
Txhais tau tias lub npe Meao no Suav yeej ti hu rau Hmoob 5000-6000+xyoo los tshaj ntawv lawm ua ntej cov cobtsib/nplog/thaib los mus nyob tsheej tebchaws rau sab Xovtshoj lawm.


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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob qhov twg...???   Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:49 pm

Yajceebtshiab,

Koj cov lus thiab clips saum yeej muaj tseeb raws li kuv tau saib Hmoob tej videos qho daim yav tag los.  Tab sis, kuv ces tseem tsis tau paub txog Hmoob Suav, Hmoob Nyab Laj,thiab Hmoob Thaib zoo pes tsawg vim yus yug los ua Hmoob ces tsuas paub txij li qhov yus nrog niam nrog txiv nyob loj hlob xwb.

Raws li kuv saib koj cov clips saum mas peb cov Hmoob Suav thiab Hmoob Nyab Laj yeej tseem yog Hmoob txwj Hmoob laus nyob yav ntuj thaum ub hos peb cov Hmoob Nplog mas yog cov thoj nam teb chaws ces peb cov neeg yeej ntsib ntau yam xwm txheej cuam tshuav txog peb Hmoob lub neej ua ntej peb yuav rais mus ciaj ua luag lwm haiv neeg nyob ncig lub ntiaj teb.

Koj tus noj ntau diav paub ntau yam thiab koj tau rov mus txuj sab ntuj tim ub yuav tau tuaj qhia peb ntau yam ntxiv mus es zoo siab kawg li os.
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