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PostSubject: Hmoob Teb Chaws Kev Tu Siab   Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:23 pm

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Nej cov paub zoo txog peb Hmoob Teb Chaws lub xov tooj cua es yog lawv nyob li cas lawm xwb cas lawv yuav hais tau tej lus tu siab ua luaj li os?

Xov tooj cua ces leej twg yog tus own the sky ces tus ntawm yog tus control xwb las mas es av tsij rau rau siab tuaj nthuav nej tej lus xov tooj cua rau peb Haiv Hmoob cov tseem tos tos peb Hmoob tus huab tais yuav nqes los es nej tsis txhob maj tag kev cia siab nawb mog.

Hais Txog Peb Hmoob Kev Tu Siab Nws Zoo Li Nov:

  • yog hais tias koj yog ib tug Hmong-Veteran ces koj lub neej thiab txoj sia yeej nyob hauv tus npau suav ua rog kom tag koj tiam li lawm.
  • yog hais tias koj yog ib tug neeg hav zoov los yog neeg cob fab ces koj lub neej yeej nco tej yam li koj nej hnub tham mus tag koj lub neej li lawm.
  • yog hais tias koj yog ib tug neeg tuaj yug tshiab nyob rau lub teb chaws Meskas ces koj lub neej yeej hloov thiab paub mus lawm ib theem siab tsis zoo li Hmoob lub neej lawm.
  • yog hais tias koj yog ib tus neeg laus muaj hnub nyoog thiab koj paub txij puag thaum GVP lub neej los txog rau niaj hnub no ces koj yeej yog ib tug neeg saub sab sij huam lawm.
  • yog hais tias koj yog ib tug neeg laus ces koj txawj nyob ib sab ntuj los koj yeej muaj qhov xav txog lwm sab ntuj.
  • yog hais tias koj yog ib tug neeg hluas yug nyob rooj teb no ces koj yuav tsis muaj qhov xav txog sab ntuj twg ntxiv li lawm.
  • yog koj yog ib tub rog Vaj Pov ces koj yeej paub hais tias kev ua kob tsov rog Nyab Laj thiab Secret War in Laos zoo li cas.
  • yog koj yog ib tub rog Cob Fab uas koj nej hnub khiav nkaum nyob rau hav zoo hav tsuas ces qhov koj paub yeej yog txij li koj tau ua los lawm muaj li cas ces koj tsuas paub txij li ntawm xwb.
  • yog koj yob ib tug tub kawm ntawm qib siab nyob rooj teb no ces koj yuav tsis paub lub hauv paus thiab hauv ntsis tsov rog yav ntuj qub qab zoo li cas nyob hauv koj nruab siab los ntawm koj lub qhov muag kiag.  Tab sis, koj yuav muaj lub zeem muag paub thiab pom nyob hauv koj nruab siab hais tias zaj dab neeg keeb kwm tsov rog nyob yav ntuj qub qab zoo li cas thaum koj mus nyeem luag tej dab neeg piav txog lub teb chaws ntawm ces koj yeej nkag siab zoo.

Mas yog li ntawm, nyob ntawm koj nyob rau category twg ces koj yuav paub txij yam ntawm rau koj lub neej es peb tej koom haum Hmoob tam sim nov thiaj li hais tseg lawm hais tias peb yuav tsum nco txog peb cov qub tub rog tus txiaj ntsim uas yog lawv tau muab lawv tej roj ntsha mus pua daim av Nplog thiab tuam choj rau peb Hmoob tuaj mus pib peb lub neej tshiab nyob rau cov teb chaws vam meej tag lawm ces peb Haiv Hmoob thiaj li yuav tsum tau lees paub peb tej qub nom qub tswv thiab kev nco txog tej laus kom tag lawv tiam tso mas dhau ntawm mus ces peb twb ho yuav tig los mus nco txog peb cov laus neeg uas lawv mam xeem tuaj yug nyob rau Meskas teb tiam vim lawv yog peb cov niam cov txiv tshiab uas lawv mam xeem tuaj yug nyob rau rooj teb no mus rau tiam tom ntej mus tsis tag tsis kawg.

Yog yuav tham txog kev ua kob tsov rog Nyab Laj ces luag neeg ntiaj teb tuaj ua tsov rog loj npaum li xob nroo tsis hais nruab hnub los hmo ntuj ces yog thaum luag xaus tsov rog lawm peb Hmoob ho yuav tig rov pib dua tej nyuag tsov rog hav fab uas sawv daws yuav siv niam lub zog noj mis ua xwb ces peb Hmoob thiaj li cob pob tuag tas vim peb Hmoob tsis paub txog luag tus xwm txheej ntiaj teb ces thaum peb twb nyob rau hauv luag lub xib tes lawm los peb tseem hais tias peb mas muaj yeej loj npaum ub npaum no ces thaum kawg peb thiaj li piam sij tag mas yog li ntawm peb yug los ua Hmoob peb yuav tau xyaum yoog luag tus xwm txheej ntiaj teb li teb li chaws es thaum luag hais tias lub teb chaws thaj yeeb lawm ces peb Haiv Hmoob yuav tau tig los ua neeg zoo seb puas dim txoj sia xwb zoo dua mog.
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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob Teb Chaws Kev Tu Siab   Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:54 pm

Caofa/Cobfab=ntswvntuj

Lub npe Caofa thiab kev siv lolus Caofa yog lus Nplog txhais haistias Tswvntuj.

Nyob hauv kev tswjkav Nplogtebchaws txij li muaj vajntxwv "fuabtais" tsev neeg vaj cov tub-ki thiaj hu tau lub npe Caofa xwb.

Hauv Nplogteb Hmoob muaj 2 tiam Caofa uas tsis yog tsev neeg Vajntxwv Nplog cajces.

1 Caofa Pajcai vwj"puascai Vwj" nrog rau nws cov meejthawj npojyaim timxyoob. Caofa Pajcai Vwj keebkwm ntxaws yog nyob hauv tseemfwv Nplogliab mojkabsim kwbteem tseg vim Nplogliab siv Pajcai txojcai livxwm khiav fai kumxeeb tawmtsam Fabkis thiab USA tau txais kev muajyeej saum txojcai dawstso tau Nplogtebchaws tawm ntawm kev zwm nce rau cov tebchaws ywjpheej los mus zwm rau cov tebchaws koompheej xyoo 1975 rov hauv. 


Caofa Pajcai sawv tawmtsam Fabkis vim kev nce se nyhav tsub nqi pejxeem thiab quabyuam saws nqi se kaujnyem pejxeem txhua nywjkeeb tau txais kev kub ntxhov hauv txoj kev ua neej txhua hnub.  Pajcai Vwj lubzeemuag thiab txheebmeemmooj yog daws tso pejxeem kom dim ntawm lwm haivneeg txawv tebchaws txojkev kaujnyem quabyuam...


Caofa Hmoob 1975 tshwmsim tau licas?

Tomqab 1975 ntawm ntswjrog nthuav fwjchim ntawm txojcai txwmlij koompheej nyob sab Esxias, nws yog kobrog sib tawmtsam tw tswvyim thiab fwjchim ntawm USA+cov tebhcaws ywjpheej thiab Soviet+cov tebchaws koompheej nyob Yajsab Esxias sab hnub tuaj ramqab uas yog Nplogteb, Cobtsibteb, kasphuxasteb yog samthiaj rau npluavrog txwmlij xaus.

Nyob Nplogteb uantej 1975 tau muaj kev coglug koom haiv ntawm 2 tog Nplog koompheej thiab ywjpheej zoosiab koomtes cheem tswmrog tus, thiab haivneeg Nplog txhua pab yuavtsum sib pab sib txhawb los txhim kho haivneeg Nplog kom tsim tsa muaj kev thajyeeb los rau pejxeem txhua nywjkeeb haiv kujcuab Nplog ua neej tsimthaij lub tebchaws caum kev vammeej ntiajteb.


Thaum kev coglus ruaj ntseg lawm tsoom neeg txawv tebchaws pab tog ywjpheej kuj ceebkoobxeej thiab tawm hauv Nplog mus, lawv cia Nplog mam tig sib kho kom haumxeeb, tabsis ntawm tog koompheej ces suav thiab soviet kuj tawm raws kev coglus-hos cov Cobtsib koompheej tsis kam tawm.  Cobtsib tau haistias kev coglus tsuas yog kom Fabkis-USA/suav thiab Soviet tawm xwb tsis tau haistxog Cobtsib.

Thaum kev covnyom muaj raws li hais, haiv neeg Nplog thiaj sib kho tsis muaj kev haumxeeb vim Cobtsib tseem tswj Nplog koompheej thiaj ua txha nqajqaum txheem kom ntiab cov Nplog ywjpheej tawm tebchaws. 1975 thiaj ntiab GVP thiab cov tuamthawj peebzeej Nplog ywjpheej tawm tebchaws, thiab ntxias cov tuam meejthawj lwm meejthawj nrog rau tsevneeg Vaj Nplog ti nkaus rau cov kws kobxwb fai lajtxheej tsoomfwv nplog ywjpheej txhua qib mus kawm kevcai koompheej thiab muab lawv txo thivmeem los mus teemtxim raws nyias lub txim loj-yau raws nyias thivmeem hauv lajfai tseejtswj.

Lub sijhawm ntawv kiag GVP tau ya tawm tebchaws tiamsis nyob hauv cej 2 peebzeej thiab pejxeem Hmoob nyob GVP qab tswjfwm kuj tseem nyob ua noj ua haus raws nyias zejzos lomzem xauv npo, tiamsis kuj muaj ib feem yog nomtswv fab peebzeej uas yog GVP+CIA tsa los txhawb lub zog ntawm Cej 2 thiab ib txhia cov txheebze GVP kuj nrhiav kev khiav lawv GVP qab vim Cobtsib thiab Nplog koompheej rhuav kev coglus hauv tuamceeb haistxog tsim kev haumxeeb thajyeeb tsa haivneeg Nplog kom koom tau cagleejkeebkum thiab txheebmeemmooj ib tug kom koom tau ua ib haiv.

Nplogliab Nplog koompheej muaj qibtxam kom tuaj mus ntxias coj cov peebzeej, thawj peebzeej, tswv zos, tswv nroog txhua tus uas tuav thivmeem lajtxheej fai uas yog GVP+CIA tsa nyob coj 2 mus kawm koompheej cai thiab mus txais kev qhuab-qhias ntawm Nplogliab thiab cobtsibliab ntawm lub qab xyoo 1975-1976 raws ib cheebtsam Loojceeb, Pha-khao, xamthong thiab cov zejzos me nyob hauv cej 2 xeev Xiengkhuang tebchaws Nplog.

Peebzeej Nplogliab thiab cov meejthawj lajfai kumxeeb hauv plawv yisfai Nplog koompheej tuaj txeem cov zejzos no thiab tsim kev kub ntxhov tos kev tua/caws hoobpob rau pejxeem tej kev mus ua noj thiaj ua rau pejxeem tuag thiab ntshai, thaum muaj xwjxwm thiab xwmtxheej li hais, lawv kuj muab cov teebmeem no rov liam rau GVP thiab CIA hais tias yog lawv rov los tua thiab caws hoobpob rau s/d kev ua noj ua hnav. 


Tiamsis Hmoob ywjpheej pwjcheeb no paub txog xwmtxheej zoo haistias teebmeem yog tshwmsim licas tiag vim lawv twb pom kiag peebzeej Nplogliab yog cov tsim tej teebmeem no ntag, yog lino tsoom pejxeem thiaj ywjfab ywjfwj tsis nyabxeeb uaneej+uanoj uahnav ces lawv thiaj sib sau sablaj nrhiav kev cawmsiav tsoom pejxeem Hmoob nyob thajtam ntawv.  Lub sijhawm ntawv kiag tseem tsis tau muaj Caofa lub npe vim haistias pejxeem nyuamqhuav pib sawv tawmtsam Nplogliab tus cwjpwm phem limhiam no me ntswb mentsis uas tsis kam ceebkoobxeej Nplogliab tus lajtxheej fai rhuav tshem pejxeem Hmoob ywjpheej.

Muaj sijhawm mam rov tuaj tham txuas ntxiv...


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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob Teb Chaws Kev Tu Siab   Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:20 pm

Yajceebtshiab, koj txawj piav txog tus xwm txheej tsov rog nyob hauv Los Tsuas teb thiab tus xwm txheej tsov rog tuag tshaib cob fab kawg li os.  Koj av tsij tuaj piav kom ntau rau sawv daws tau nyeem vim koj cov lus yeej tham tau muaj kuab kawg li.

Nyeem Hauv Nov Seb Muaj Dab Tsi mas yog li ntawm kuv tus kheej ces tsis paub hais tias huab tais Los Tsuas tus tub Princess Vong Savang thiab peb Hmoob cov neeg cob fab lawv lub code name puas yog siv tib lub npe xwb los li cas hos raws li kuv xav xwb mas peb cov neeg Hmoob ua cob fab mas lawv tsis yog neeg nrog luag ua tsov rog Secret War in Laos uas yog kob tsov rog Air War hauv Nplog teb vim lawv yog cov neeg tom qab lub teb chaws Los Tsuas, Khaj Meej teb, thiab Nyab Laj Qab teb raug swb tsov rog mus ciaj ua tog koos sam tag lawm ces cov neeg Hmoob cob fab ntawm tsuas yog peb ib co neeg Hmoob uas seem poob rau hav zoo hav tsuag es lawv tawm tsis tau mus rau qhov twg li lawm ces lawv mam xeem pheev xeem tawm tuav tswv yim seb lawv puag yuav nrog luag muaj teb chaws xwb vim lawv tseem nco nco lawv tej qub teb qub chaw ces lawv khiav tsis taus mus rau txawv teb chaws mas lo lus, "Cob Fab" ntshe yuav yog cov neeg nkaum hav zoo hav tsuag es lawv ntsia pom lub ntuj ntsuab nkaus nkaus xwb ces lawv thiaj li siv lawv tus code name yog cob fab xwb ces Cob Fab = Jungle people or people over the cloud uas yog lawv tus code name nyob toj roob hauv pes xwb los muaj.

Yog koj muaj sij hawm Ho Mus Nyeem Qhov Nov Seb Yog Li Cas

Tej lus kuv tham pem nov mas tsuas yog lus khwv yees tham xwb tsis yog ib co lus tshawb fawb tau qhov twg los li cas es qhov kuv paub ces tsuas yog li ntawm nkaus xwb......hahahahahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob Teb Chaws Kev Tu Siab   Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:10 pm

Muaj sijhawm mam tuaj teb ntxiv koj cov lus tham txog rog vietnam thiab rog Caofa nws txawv li cas...

thiab li mam tuaj sau txuas mus tshab txhais txog cov koom tsis haum Caofa uas tsis raug cai nyob USA ntau ntau lub hajhajhaj.
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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob Teb Chaws Kev Tu Siab   Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:10 pm

Yajceebtshiab, ua li ntawm mas.

Thaum twg koj nrhiav tau zoo keeb kwm los yog koj tshawb fawb tau koj tej keeb kwm tag ces koj mam coj tuaj sau rau peb tau nyeem laug hnub hos kuv ces raws li tej laus hais tseg mas thaum GVP lawv tseem tuav tsoom tub rog nqe 2 nyob sab qaum teb Los Tsuas ces yeej tseem tsis tau muaj cob fab li cas vim cob fab los yeej tseem yog tog ywj pheej cov neeg xwb ces lawv yeej tsis muaj ib lub suab los yog ib yam dab tsi uas yuav coj los qhia rau nom tswv neeg Los Tsuas hais tias yog lawv teej tug thiab lawv xav tau dab tsi li cas ces thaum Yaj Soob Lwj sawv los tsim tsa kom muaj lub npe niam ntawv ces Yaj Soob Lwj lub zos tseem ho nyob rau tham tsam ntawm taw roob Phu Npiab uas yog CIA cov nyob hoom txoj ncauj ke ya tuaj mus rau Looj Ceeb thiab ces yog Yaj Soob Lwj ua tsev kheej thiab tsa khaub hlab liab thiab khaub hlab ntsuab ces GVP lawv thiaj li tso nyob hoom mus ntxuav Yaj Soob Lwj lub tsev kheej ua me qhov npoos liab pes vog raws li hnov muaj tus tham li ntawm ces tsis ntev xwb Nplog lub teb chaws twb muaj xam tib phaj lawm ces kawg GVP los yeej nti tsis tau lawm vim Tsoom Fwv Americans cov nyob hoom rov qab mus rau Udom Thaib teb tag lawm ces GVP yuav tau mus ua Nplog lub noob ces txij thaum ntawm los mus peb cov tub nrog Hmoob SGU thiaj li nraug ntxhuav hlwb (suav ib tug zuj zus) thiab peb cov niam cov ntxiv uas muaj feem cuam tshuam txog kev ua kob tsov rog Secret War in Laos pab tsoom Fwv Americans thiaj li raug ncaws tawm teb chaws los yog poob hwj chim mas raws li muaj tus hais tseg li ntawm es seb puas yog li ntawm xwb lau vim txij thaum lub xyoo 1973-75 ces Hmoob yeej pib txom nyem zuj zus lawm los yog hos lug tog koos sam ces yeej npaj ua tsov rog zaum kawg lawm xwb ces peb cov niag pej xeem thiaj li raug mus ua Hmoob cob fab noj kaus xyoob kaus ntoo cob pob tug tag los muaj.

Hais txog Cob Fab mas peb yuav tsis paub lawv zoo vim peb tsis yog cov neeg nyob sab ntuj tim ub thiab lawv lub zeem muag tsis yog peb txoj kev xav vim peb tsuas paub txij GVP cov qub tub rog Hmoob SGU xwb hos cov neeg mam xeem loj tuaj thiab mam khwv tswv yim hais tias lawv xav nrog luag neeg ntiaj teb muaj teb chaws mas peb lub hlwb tseem khiav tsis tau nrog lawv lub zeem muag tau vim peb tsis muaj txoj cai nyob ib lub teb chaws yuav ntshaw txog lwm lub Hmoob teb chaws txoj kev ntshaw mas peb ua tsis tau li ntawm raws li kuv tus kheej xav xwb.

Peb cov nom tswv Hmoob thiab txov tub txawj ntxhais ntse nyob rooj teb no twb nej hnub hais tias peb Hmoob nyob lub teb chaws twg yuav tsum hwm lub teb chaws ntawm peb thiaj li nrog luag muaj neej ua ces qhov peb txaus siab ces yog li peb cov thawj coj hais xwb peb thiaj li yog neeg zoo hos yog peb cov Hmoob nyob yav ntuj qub qab ho cia li nrog luag muaj province saib es hnub twg lawv lub teb chaws quaj ntsuag tuaj thov txog peb Hmoob-Meskas mas peb thiaj li muaj cai mus pab lawv raws li peb lub teb chaws Meskas pom zoo xwb hos dhau ntawm ces peb yeej ua tsis tau ib yam dab tsi kom zoo leej twg siab li vim peb Hmoob-Meskas kiag peb twb pab tsis tau peb lawm ces peb tsis tag hais qhov yuav mus pab Hmoob lwm lub teb chaws txoj kev ua neej li os vim peb twb tsis tau muaj cov neeg tub lag luam txog lab nyiaj txiag rov saum es peb yuav ua li cas thiaj li thov tau nyiaj mus pab leej twg nyob lwm lub teb chaws li cas.  Kuv xav ces, "No" xwb os.



Thaum ub kuv pom Hmoob muag Paj Kaub lawv daim movie nov ces kuv yeej nrog Hmoob tu siab hais tias Hmoob twb nrog luag neeg mab ham as naj (superpower) ua kob tsov rog Nyab Laj loj npaum li ntawm es Hmoob ho yuav rov tig mus ua tej nyuag tsov rog cauj puam kom Hmoob tuag tu noob mas cas yuav mob hlwb ua luaj li vim Hmoob tsis paub txo hwj chim nrog luag neeg ntiaj teb ua neej es kom Hmoob ciaj neeg es mam li nrog luag sib tw ua nom ua tswv hauv zej hauv zos xwb zoo tshaj qhov Hmoob muab cov ruam siav mus nkaum hav zoo hav tsuag  es cia li raug luag tua tuag tu noob dawb dawb xwb mas tsis tsim nyog yug los ua Hmoob ib zaug li os.

Lub neej thaum GVP muaj cai siv nyob hoom saum nruab ntug mas vim yog luag lwm haiv neeg tuaj mos GVP cov tub rog nruab hnub thiab hmo ntuj yuav ua kom Hmoob thiab Nplog piaj sij mus ces Hmoob thiab Nplog tog nyob rau hauv vaj ntxwv huab tais Los Tsuas thiaj li muaj cai ya saum nruag tug xwb hos cov cob fab nim nov mas lawv yog cov neeg nyob qhov tws thiab lawv tsis muaj cai tsim kev kub ntxhov ces yog lawv tsis tawm los ua neeg zoo ces kawg raug luag caum li caum kauv xwb ces kawg tuag tag li los muaj mas yog li ntawm.
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PostSubject: Re: Hmoob Teb Chaws Kev Tu Siab   Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:23 pm





Koj tus paub tab na... GVP thiab President Nixon nkawv sib saum daim duab nov yog puag thaum twg los lawm los yog nkawv nyuam qhuav tuaj sib ntsib tom qab lub xyoo 1975 xwb?

http://imgur.com/gallery/zucNF2x

http://blogs.egusd.net/tor/interviews/vietnam-war/joe-scheimer/#jp-carousel-1342



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